Eli chats with Ruby Pinto about her about the transformative process of 2020, the experiences she had during her time organizing for prison and police abolition in Chicago, and how much she wants to party as we get free. The two explore how all this connects with Shred’s mission to help us orient away from profit and toward care, away from reified ideas and toward interconnected process. The two reflect on the need for prison & police abolition, the work of For the People Artists Collective, and how Ruby came to practice story based strategy, as well as her current studies of the nervous system and stress response.⁠